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November 7, 2002, 15:30 - 17:30 |
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First Special Conference Room, 8th floor, Headquarters,
MPHPT |
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| (1)Members (alphabetical order; titles omitted
from names) |
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ASABA Toshiya, ASAI
Hiroshi, ESAKI Hiroshi, FUJITA Satoshi, GOTO Shigeki, HOSAKA
Masatoshi, IMAI Keiichi, ISHII Hideo, KATO Toshiyuki (substitute
attendant: KURAHASHI), KISHI Hirokazu, KONISHI Kazunori, LIM
Kian Soon (substitute attendant: NISHI), LIU Dong (substitute
attendant: LU), MATSUMOTO Toshifumi, MIKURIYA Toshio, OKI
Toshie, Yong-Jin PARK, SAGA Kenji, SHIBASAKI Yoshitaka (substitute
attendant: HARADA), SHIOMI Tadashi (substitute attendant:
KUBOTA), TAKAHASHI Toshinori, TANAKA Toshiki, YASUMOTO Yoshio
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| (2)MPHPT |
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Vice-Minister TSUKIO Yoshio; OKAYAMA, Director
of the International Policy Division; TAJIRI, Senior Advisor
for International Public Relations of the International Policy
Division; ASAMI, Director of the International Cooperation
Division; MIYASHITA, Senior Advisor of the International Cooperation
Division; MIHARA, Deputy Director of the International Cooperation
Division
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(1) Opening
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| (2) On additional proposals from Members,
etc. |
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In line with Reference Material 4-2 "On
additional proposals from Members, etc. (Members Only),"
Members explained their proposals.
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| (3) On the report (draft) |
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In accordance with Reference Material 4-3 "Points
of Report (draft) (Members Only)," Mr. TAJIRI, Senior
Advisor for International Public Relations of the International
Policy Division, explained the points of the report.
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(4) Opinion exchange
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There are activities carried out by the Asia Pacific
Next Generation (APNG) Camp. The APNG Camp aims to establish
itself as a catalyst for the next generation to grow
into capable Internet leaders under the global environment.
The APNG Camp was held twice in 2002 and the 3rd Camp
will be convened in February 2003. At the 3rd APNG Camp,
next-generation Internet leaders will get together mainly
from NICs in the Asian region, with the purpose of deliberating
concrete issues, such as what to do next. I think we
should make use of such activities for discovering and
fostering human resources. |
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It is crucial to provide and operate infrastructures
on a stable basis while retaining quality. To do so,
major telecommunications carriers in each country/economy
shall maintain close ties among them. For instance,
there is the PPM consisting of 11 telecommunications
carriers from 11 countries/economies. We may make proposals
toward such a framework of telecommunications carriers.
It is worth the effort. |
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Human resources working for NPOs, including APNG,
are developed. From the viewpoint of relevant industries,
there is a strong demand for developing human resources
capable of earning money as skilled, ready-to-work labor
pool. Industry needs substantial workforce exchange
programs rather than educational systems for fostering
human resources from scratch. I have heard that some
companies have universities. As one of the options,
it would be interesting that if we could establish a
program under which human resources take practical courses
at such universities and then enter into business activities. |
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When network centers are established, dealing with
the acceptable use policy (AUP) is a difficult problem.
Considering promotion of the industry, transmission
of commercial traffic shall be taken into account. Even
testbeds for R&D purposes may transmit commercial
traffic. Of course, it is essential to deliberate upon
how to ensure that such traffic does not hinder private
businesses. Along with the growth of the industry, a
structure, within which increased commercial traffic
will assist business performances of carriers, is welcome. |
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When looking into differences between narrowband
and broadband, from the viewpoint of businesses, upon
introduction of broadband, businesses must change the
way of doing business. Discussions were made on the
fact that trade volumes among the tripolar of Japan,
North America and Europe were well balanced, however,
in terms of amounts of information distribution, Asia
was far behind North America and Europe. Broadband has
potentials to change business activities of manufacturers,
distributors, etc. This will change former policy frameworks
that governments cannot appropriate a budget for other
infrastructures than lifelines. The way of business
is, in a sense, an infrastructure of infrastructures.
Under such policy frameworks, when business activities
are deployed and exchanged throughout the Asian region,
there arise concerns about fears that Asia will become
far behind the rest of the world. If so, I expect a
solution from this Study Group present. |
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In Asia, there are many people supporting the ICT
industry in the world, such as China and India with
huge educated and excellent populations. If such human
resources supporting the world ICT industry do not move
to America, and they work for Asia, this region will
come to have the broadest Internet bandwidth. In this
sense, when targets are established, I strongly expect
efforts to attain thereof. |
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It is vital to make efforts to accomplish established
targets. Once this Study Group alone establishes those
targets, other countries/economies will be forced to
attain them. When basic concepts are formed, gradual
steps shall be taken. Meaning that targets shall be
set forth after vigorous opinion exchanges between Asian
countries/economies. |
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With respect to use of broadband, R&D is of course
important; however, I think provision of public information
would be a good idea, for instance, whether forecasts,
disaster prevention or environmental information. |
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The e-APEC Strategy proposes construction of a database
on success stories. In addition, it is also important
to share information on cases where a project for some
targets under certain conditions will result in failures.
Failure is a stepping-stone to success. |
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Upon formulation of such a program, it is vital to
consider strategic approaches anytime. For example,
in Indonesia half of all villages have no single POTS.
In reality, a huge network construction project in such
areas is, in a sense, to pursue an unrealistic approach.
There are many types of rural areas, such as islands,
mountainous areas, jungles, etc. Thus, after introducing
pilot projects for each rural area, we will classify
those into success and failed cases. A shared database
containing those cases will contribute to the selection
of best practices. Such approaches are to be encouraged. |
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As regards education, various methods for human resource
development are needed. For instance, when the Japan
International Cooperation Agency (JICA) announced a
total support to establish an ICT faculty at a polytechnic
in Indonesia, the Indonesian side voiced that there
were many educational institutes to be supported by
JICA. The Japanese side, however, proposed a different
strategic approach that students should be gathered
and educated at one polytechnic, with this method being
horizontally extended. Otherwise, the ODA budget cannot
cover all polytechnics, an all-inclusive method does
not work. When implementing the Asia Broadband Program,
deliberations shall be made on each approach to address
each challenge. |
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From 2002, almost all Korean online-game providers
advanced into the Chinese market. An online game of
the biggest Korean game provider was licensed to China,
allowing 600,000 people to play the game simultaneously.
The game charge is around 30 yen per hour. This much
of charge will bring about a shift to China. The Chinese
market will drastically grow through the licensing of
Chinese providers and construction of R&D centers.
The market size is said to be about 1.5 trillion yen.
It is regrettable that Japanese providers are not players
in this field. Some say that Japan is the most advanced
country in terms of IPv6. However, when leading Chinese
carriers want to construct IPv6-ready networks or provide
IPv6-ready services, those carriers will connect the
networks to European networks. In China, trials of new
technologies are always carried out in Europe, never
in Japan. This is caused by attitudes of the Japanese
industry including carriers, who do not show their advanced
assets such as technologies. It is very difficult to
communicate with Japanese carriers and other suppliers.
Japan has been carrying out advanced trials with advanced
technologies under advanced concepts. I expect that
the Asia Broadband Program will advocate messages that
all of Asian countries/economies aim at reaching the
next step will be formulated. |
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Asian networks will definitely become the world's
most frequently used networks in the future. In comparison
with Europe and America, at present, Asian networks
lack many things to be enhanced. I would like to see
a report describing concrete details that toward the
realization of Asian broadband networks under the leadership
of Japan, to what extent the Japanese government can
do for the realization, at the same time, to what extent
the Japanese government can do for closing the digital
divide. Sometimes proposals included in this kind of
report tend to be neglected. At this time, I anticipate
that concrete proposals to be surely implemented will
be contained in the report. |
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Will this project be carried out as an international
cooperation project without considering the industry,
or as support measures for the Japanese industry to
some extents? Japan's presence in China is small because
of bigger country and business risks. In contrast to
Japan, European businesses and Motorola of the U.S.
could enter into the Chinese market thanks to the backing
up of their governments. Japanese companies have been
given no single morsel of support from the Japanese
government. If this project is support measures for
the Japanese industry, Japanese companies can boldly
participate in this project without knowing details
of the market. On the contrary, if this project is to
be implemented as an international cooperation project,
I think that we must make hard-working efforts in a
step-by-step fashion, for example, we should survey
success cases to date and employ the best feasible and
effective methods. |
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To establish a base for human resource development
can be one feasible option. Strategically speaking,
if Japanese companies enter into other markets at their
own risks, I would like to say that it would be correct
to make the most of already-established infrastructures
in the targeted market taking into consideration cost-effectiveness. |
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With broadband, we can effectively use collaboration
through international video transmission. Thus, headquarters
of companies will be enabled to communicate with local
staff via such infrastructures. I think that if the
broadband infrastructure would allow business staff
to make business talks or anything necessary, effective
international communications between headquarters and
branches could be achieved. Accordingly, the AUP shall
be designed to allow commercial use. |
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In order to make Japan the leader in this Asia Broadband
Program, Japan shall develop an initiative to make use
of broadband in Japan. Local areas in Japan are affluent
in inexpensive land, low-priced goods, fresh air, etc.;
however, there is no industry in such areas. People
born in such areas are forced to move to Tokyo. Tokyo
is a city with expensive land, high-priced goods, toxic
air, etc. Broadband can be a solution to address such
problems. Japan shall open up a path to a leading model
of broadband. Through these efforts, Japan would be
the leader of this Asia Broadband Program. Indeed, to
think worldwide is important in a sense. To transmit
Japan's ownership, however, would be to forge solid
footing.
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| (5) Schedule from now on |
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Mr. TAJIRI, Senior Advisor for International
Public Relations of the International Policy Division, explained
the schedule that the fifth meeting would be held on November
18, 2002, and the Secretariat is to inform members of details
of the fifth meeting.
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| (6) Closing |
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